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Irish Catholic: People Need Priests More Than Ever Before
April 13 2025
Neil Bray
I feel many priests are in effect bearing a cross in their lives and they know more about the teachi... ng on such crosses than I do so I won't comment further. Mention was made in the article of Irish priests in Africa in times past. Priests and bishops today can learn a lot from knowledge of that situation. I observed it myself in the 1970's. Briefly, I saw how individual priests in parishes the size of Co Limerick, divided them into nine or ten stations, each of which the priest visited maybe once every three weeks in the dry season and less so in the wet season. There had to be a voluntary involvement of service on the part of the laity, or to be precise of a small number of the laity. Native born priests were almost non-existent and it was often opined that the matriarchal nature of the culture would militate against a native cohort of priests emerging. Now I hear of priests from that country working in South Africa and I have watched a video on the internet depicting many native priests at a celebration in a church in the capital city and not a white face in sight. One lesson is that there are no quick fixes. Thanks to the generosity of so many priests in Ireland there is as yet no shortage of priests in Ireland, relative to the situation in Africa as it was in the 1970's there. The Irish priests there then settled for what they were able to do with varying degrees of self-sacrifice. They first decided on what was possible in terms of the needs of the people and then built organisation around that. Necessary, feasible service first, then organisation second. Not the other way around. The people found ways to make do on what the priests were able to manage. But it was not without its difficulties. In Ireland currently, there is much too much emphasis in some influential circles on giving more authority to us laity. There needs to be far more emphasis on our responsibilities as Catholics. Practice of the faith in Ireland did not dwindle due to a shortage of priests. The reason for the dwindle is represented figuratively in the description of the dispensed holy pictures in the school rubbish room. Starting in the 1960s the people have made their choices regarding reception of the Catholic faith and things are as they are today. The reign of the sacred cows of obsessive parish and diocesan loyalties is over. In terms of infrastructure we are in a far better situation that that which obtained in Africa in the !970s. The principle function of parish councils should be enabling people to travel outside their parishes to Mass on Sundays. This is far more important that gaining control of the microphone or of the cheque book at local parish events. Religious parish participation demands personal sacrifice, not the joys of power. The priest has to be available but within reason. He must have time to concentrate on his prayer during the day. This is his best service to the people. Laity should affirm him in his sacramental ministry, and show they value it. It's a bit sad to have a priest talk about sermons of non-Irish priests being too long especially in the Irish context of catechetical ignorance. It is highly likely that the foreign priests were not raised on a religious diet of four minute sermons, which are probably an Irish institution. The future is in God's hands and in human terms it's in the hands of young families. Priests, as a group, should try to see how they can help young parents in their ministry to their children. There is plenty of evidence overseas that shows how productive service to young parents can be. And why do we not see greater promotion and indeed use of the services of those pockets of renewal populated by twenty somethings?Show more ›
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Brendan Hoban: A seminal moment in our church’s history
April 12 2025
Joe O'Leary
Lumen Gentium put the People of God first and recontextualized the hierarchical structure of the Chu... rch within that vision. Pope Francis has done a lot to bring back Vatican II, which some were inclined to dismiss as blip on the screen of history. For the joyful impact of that rediscovery I recommend "The Oxford Handbook of Vatican II" by 44 seasoned experts on the Council who are revisiting Vatican II in light of a "paradigm shift" represented by Pope Francis.Show more ›
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Brendan Hoban: A seminal moment in our church’s history
April 12 2025
Dermot Quigley
So, Gerry, the Hierarchical model of the Church, bequeathed by Christ Himself is still valid. That ... means that the De Fide Dogma "CHRIST GAVE HIS CHURCH A HIERARCHICAL CONSTITUTION" still stands. Very reassuring to Traditional pre-Synodal Catholics. I should be honest with you and let you know that I have been excommunicated for rejecting the Final Synodal Document as NOT PART of the Ordinary and Universal magisterium. For a Document to be part of the Ordinary and Universal magisterium, it must be in line with what the Popes have always taught. The Final Synod Document itself, which is a HYBRID mix of Episcopal and Lay input, represents a COMPLETE RUPTURE with what has always been taught. I remain of course faithful to the teachings of our Church as passed on to me in my youth. TRADIDI QUOD ET ACCEPI. The Faith of our Tyburn Martyrs, one of whom is an ancestor of mine. Gerry, many brave members of your Order, died at Tyburn for professing the pre-Synodal Faith and offering the Traditional Latin Mass. I wish you well. Ad Multos Annos!Show more ›
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Brendan Hoban: A seminal moment in our church’s history
April 12 2025
Gerry O'Hanlon
Dermot @2: There is no question of abrogating the hierarchical element of the Church. Rather, it a m... atter of understanding it as but part of a whole, in service of that whole (the People of God). And so, in the Final Document of the Synod (which Pope Francis declared to be 'part of the ordinary Magisterium of the Successor Peter') it is written: 'Synodality offers "the most appropriate interpretative framework for understanding the hierarchical ministry itself"' (Francis, Address in Commemoration of the 50th Anniversary of the Institution of the Synod of Bishops, 17 October 2015).Show more ›
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